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Why Insecurity Creates High Achievers (And Why It Eventually Breaks Them) | Lewis Huckstep

• Harvey Rivers & Adam Powell • Episode 47

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If your success is fuelled by pressure, fear, or proving you’re “enough,” - burnout is inevitable.

Mindset coach Lewis Huckstep joins the lads to pull back the curtain on the psychology of insecurity-driven success, hustle culture, trauma, and what it actually takes to build a fulfilling life (without burning yourself out).

Tune in to hear about:

✅Why insecurity is one of the most powerful fuels for high achievement

✅Hustle culture vs healing: when the grind works (and when it destroys you)

✅External success vs internal fulfillment

✅How childhood trauma shapes ambition, drive, and self-sabotage

✅Why high achievers sabotage relationships, health, and happiness

✅How to build success that doesn’t consume you

✅Purpose, values, and aligned ambition

✅Why fulfillment doesn’t come from “bigger goals”

Listen now to discover your core wound and turn it into unstoppable purpose.

Key moments:

00:01:00 The Insecure High Achiever Problem
00:07:00 How Trauma Shows Up In Relationships
00:13:00 Finding Purpose From Your Wounds
00:17:30 Live Core Wound Exercise
00:29:00 Building An Inspired Life
00:38:00 Lewis's Burnout Story
00:44:30 Growing To Nearly 1M Followers
00:51:00 Balancing Business And Fatherhood
00:57:40 Parenting As The Ultimate Mirror
01:06:00 Why Society Keeps Us Stuck

Whether you're grinding toward your first million or questioning why success hasn't made you happy yet, this conversation offers a blueprint for sustainable achievement.

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SPEAKER_04:

If you want to be the most successful, externally looking successful person on the planet, be the most insecure person you can. But how's that gonna show up with your kids? How's that gonna show up with your partner? How's that gonna show up with your own thoughts when no one's around?

SPEAKER_03:

I've done work with psychologists in the past and they try and open it all up and I go, don't take the chip off my shoulder. Like that's my that's my fuel. But now it's probably getting to the first time ever where I've gone, fuck, this is exhausting.

SPEAKER_04:

Gentlemen, close down your eyes for me. And if you love this shit. I want you to take a deep breath into your heart. Now I want you, just keep your eyes closed. Just remove any judgment from your answers for the questions I'm about to ask you. What is the one thing that you wish you got from your dad, but you didn't get. Imagine if everyone that you knew knew how to regulate their emotions so they don't get too dysregulated and act out and do dumb shit. They weren't overcompensating, they weren't self-sabotaging, they knew what how to contribute to humanity in a meaningful way and have a career or business doing that. I think the world would be pretty fun to say.

SPEAKER_02:

So Louis, lads. Generationally, from what you see in on social media in real life, do you think people now value looking happier externally as opposed to actually being happier internally?

SPEAKER_04:

Straight into it, eh? That's that's that's that's a that's a fantastic question. Um I joke with my clients as I say there's a spectrum of humans, and I joke it's not the autistic spectrum, even though I'm on it. Yeah, but we've got spiritual people, and these people have crystals on, just like I do now. So they've got crystals, they've got ayahuasca ceremonies every weekend, they're doing breath work, they're doing grounding, they're doing all the sort of woo-woo shit. These people levitate all day, but they're broke. They haven't achieved anything. They're so manifesty, but they haven't achieved anything. And on the other side of the spectrum, you've got the hustle porn people, and that's where probably your question is probably alluded to. Where Alex Mosey's kind of the poster child of that. It's like sleep when you're dead, fuck your mood, follow the plan. Can I swear on this by the way? Yeah, that ripped. Already broke it. Um, and it's these people are I will prove to the world how worthy I am. So I feel insecure internally, I'm not enough internally. I'm going to achieve things externally to show you and prove to you that I am enough, but in doing so, you're reinforming, reinforcing that you're not enough. That used to be me. I was like that for a long time until sort of 20. I started the self-development journey when I was 18, when Tony Robbins. I think Tony Robbins is the gateway drug to self-development. He just like gets so many people in there. And to I think answer your question, hunt most people are, because I don't think it's unconscious. Like you can't be held accountable to things you're not aware of. Like Helmose says, use what you've got. Like at entrepreneurship, use what you've got. Like if you're insecure, if you've got daddy problems, mum problems, I'm not enough, I'm not worthy, anger, frustration, use what you've got and get the ball rolling. But that fuel for me, it's very exhausting. It's a very heavy fuel to use. Uh, it's like Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Down the bottom, you've got survival, food, shelter, procreation. And then up the top, you've got your self-actualization. That's where it goes from sort of motivation, which is extrinsic, to inspiration. That's why I have live inspired, inspired living. I use the word inspiration a lot. And you need the bottom layers taken care of. Like if you if you if we couldn't pay our rent today, we probably wouldn't be filming a podcast, right? We would be like, fuck, how do we closing deals? But you're awesome, right? So yes, you do use it at the start to get going, but uh, my dream avatar is insecure high achievers. It's people who haven't had the shifting. So hopefully I'm articulating that properly. But it's people that haven't made the shift yet. They're still using the mum, dad, childhood, I'm not enough, I'm not well loved, I'm not worthy fuel, which it does work externally. You if you get the skills right, like get the right strategy in place and do the strategy, you should achieve the goal, the thing. But there's no nothing external that will fill the void that's internal. And that's where values and purpose and healing and integration comes into it. And I only really got into that world self-development-wise, 10 years ago, but like the sort of deeper stuff, probably about five to six years ago. What does deeper stuff mean? Uh, good question. So I see trauma or inner work. So I define inner work is the process of dissolving and integrating all parts of who you are. So it's learning to love and integrate all wounds, all personas, all parts, the best analogy I got for this. When a baby are you you like parents by any chance? Yeah. Fantastic. When your kids were born and when babies are born, what parts of your children were worthy of love?

SPEAKER_03:

All of them.

SPEAKER_04:

Fantastic. Everyone says the same answer. From the moment we're born to the moment we pass, we are completely perfect and loved. But then we learn that some parts of us are not lovable. The part of us that's too much, the part of us that's not enough, the part of us that's a loser, that's a failure. And we learn that those parts of us are our is a this is shadow work, by the way. So those become our shadows, and we try to hide them and we try to put on the persona of the high achiever. I am enough, I am worthy, and sort of ties back to what I said before. So just even understanding the concepts I'm saying, I didn't understand it. I did NLP, uh, that's what Tony uses a lot. So neural acquisitive programming for the um people listening. I did Tony and I did his um have you guys done UPW or Tony Robbins work before? No, fantastic. I think it's fantastic. He's really good with state change, so like change your state. He says, make your move. Anyone that knows has done this event, you know what I mean. And he's good at like getting out of a shit funk. So change your energy, make your moves, like doing an ice bath, like going for a workout. Like you change how you feel in the moment, and that's fantastic to get the ball rolling. He then does beliefs like limiting beliefs. I'm not enough, I'm too much, and stuff like that, which again I think is fantastic. For me, I haven't seen him go into the depth of perceptions and the other bodies of healing. So there's the mental body, this is conscious, unconscious, uh, your mind, your memories, everything in your in your head. You've got the physical body, this is just soma. If you've heard of somatics before, soma means body. So it's um, it's like body work, massages, yoga movement and stuff moving the body that you've got. You've got the emotional body, that's your nervous system. So any suppressed emotions, uh, gentlemen in general don't really like doing this one because feeling emotions is weak, right? And gotta be tough and put on the face, right? That's where like breath work, emotional release processes. Have you guys seen breath work before? Like people having these huge like fucking releases. Breath work's a fantastic tool for that. You've got the spiritual body, that's where shamanism, that's where ayahuasca are, that's where breath work meditation comes into it. You're working with your soul's trauma, if you want to go down that path. And fifth is the energetic body. That's where chakra centers sound healing. My wife does sound bowls at our events. Like I'm most strongest at mental and emotional. So any mental stuff, emotional stuff, I can take care of it. I'm not a shaman. Um, I didn't bring any ayahuasca with us today. So it's like they're a good body. But they're not my the I do a little bit of physical stuff, but spiritual and energetic is not my uh uh forte. That's not where I sort of play with. But just understanding all of these different levels to what inner work is, not just change your state.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Just um, so I've got a good friend of mine, he's actually a business coach, actually pretty good for this. He'll be okay with me saying the story. Yeah, um, his name's Dion. Um and he's a business coach and he's very Tony Robbins. It's his like he I literally I ran, I went and ran a uh one of his retreats end of last year, and he literally introduced me. He's like, guys, we're bringing up someone that you know who he is. And honestly, guys, the reason I'm bringing him up is he's into trauma, he's into healing. Where honestly, I just tell you guys to suck it up and keep working. But I know that's not healthy, so that's why I brought Lewis in. So he is aware of it, that's why he brings me in for it. But I used to think the same thing. I used to be, you're feeling anxious, change your state. You're feeling shit, change your state, suck it up, get the work done, shut up, fuck your mood, follow the plan. I used to be the overachiever homose, but it's like it starts to show up in your relationships. It starts to show up with your kids, it starts to show up all those projections and triggers. That's the glitch in the matrix where you can't hide from it. Your shit is there. Just a lot of people look at it, just like putting the blinders on, not recognizing it, just sucking it up, putting on the person of the mask. I'm happy. We're really behind the scenes where no one's looking with your relationships with your kids. There's some shit there. And yeah, that's kind of what I love talking about.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I want to really dive into that, that insecurity making you become a high achiever. It's when I so I obviously did a little bit of research, I followed you for a while, um, looked at your story today, um, and it was one of the things that struck me most because I that's definitely me. Um, pretty sure he's speaking for ads that it's him as well. And what I want to dig into why we're like that so listeners can take take something from that as well, but also how we process and change that because I completely relate to um in the early days, that is your energy and that's your motivation. And um, we work with an incredible lady called Jess Cameron, she's kind of our mindset guru. And I always said to her, I've done work with psychologists in the past, and they try and open it all up, and I go, Don't take the chip off my shoulder. Like that's my that's my fuel. But now it's probably getting to the first time ever where I've gone, fuck, this is exhausting. I need to find another way to keep this going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Um it it's uh there's two angles to this. There's the I'll do the more balanced answer, my answer, then I'll give you like the opposite, which is like fuck you, don't don't don't worry about it. So for me, it's what we said at the start, it's you're going from motivation to inspiration. Inspiration for me is untapped. So the need for motivation is a symptom of an uninspired goal. So you understand what that means? If you need motivation to do something, it's actually just not in alignment with who you are, and you actually don't want to do it. No one had to motivate me to be here today. No one had to motivate me to do my podcast, no one had to motivate me to start my business. Now, at the start, when I couldn't pay my bills, yes, I needed that extrinsic, like you're gonna live on the street, you're not gonna be able to eat food today, you're not gonna feel safe. I needed those external forces to drive me, but it works until it doesn't. So once you get to a certain level of success, you can pay the bills, you've got some investments growing. It's like you've got a pretty cushy life. It's like, fuck, what's gonna keep me going? Just become more insecure, set bigger goals, compare yourself to other people. You could do that if you want to. It just depends what fuel source you want to live. So I prefer the intrinsic fuel source because it's untapped, it's balanced, it will never go away, and it doesn't like eat you out from the inside out. The other angle, if you just want to say, fuck it, what are we optimizing for? Alex Mosey says, What are we optimizing for a lot? If you want to, me and Georgia, I'm just super pre-framing the listeners, I have no plan to do this, but I was just like hype throwing some shit into the universe. I'm like, we've got a baby Jew in in Marsh this year. Congrats, mate. Thank you, man. Um, and we're like, um, we're talking about how do you parent them? Sure, you had those chats when the kids are coming. And we're like, how do we like minimize the amount of trauma that they get? And how do we minimize that stuff and be good parents and stuff? I'm like, you know, I'm not going to do this, but you could like make a really insecure child, and that would be an insane high achiever. I'm like, you could do that. Yeah. And I'll talk about like you're like, if I look at Michael Jordan, like he hates fucking losing. That's why he's the best. It's like Hormozy, it's like his. I obviously don't know him personally, I would love to meet him a day. And because I was in the gym world, so I actually followed him for the gym. Yeah, I was in his gym Facebook trip back back in the day. So that's cool. Anyways, but it's like I would assume he has wounds around being lazy or weakness. So I don't want to be seen as lazy, I don't be seen as weak, so I'm going to just grind, grind, grind, grind, grind. But again, externally it works. So what are you optimizing for? If you want to be the most successful, externally looking successful person on the planet, be the most insecure person you can.

SPEAKER_05:

Go for it.

SPEAKER_04:

But how's that going to show up with your kids? How's that gonna show up with your partner? How's that gonna show up with your own thoughts when no one's around? So again, it just depends what you're optimizing for. I lean to more, lean towards more like how do you have a fulfilling, inspiring life where you achieve externally and have fulfillment internally. Will that cost a little bit of drive? Maybe. Maybe I can't say I it hasn't happened for me. I will might contradict it. I was more like grinding at the start at business. Again, do what you need to do. But it's like now I still work, but I work in a way that I'm inspired to, and then I stop when I want to. It's like I could go back home and keep hustling if I wanted to, I'll decide when I get there. So a good question you can always ask is like, what am I inspired to do right now? Uh and just sort of lean towards that. To answer your question, brother, I if you once you heal any un underlying stuff underneath the surface, pain becomes purpose, wounds become wisdom. You lean more into the inspired fuel source rather than the fuck, I'm not enough fuel source. For me, I haven't seen anyone lower their goals or lower their fuel source, but it could. But so yeah, I guess pick your path.

SPEAKER_02:

It's interesting because kind of our story, if you like, like me and Harves, an HS into a 14, but very similar backgrounds growing up, working class kids out here, fighting the fight, trying to provide for families, that's uh identity, if you like, and what we're about. But if life goes well, we're hopefully you know, 12, 18 months, two years away from not having that first level need of okay, like rent or mortgage. Okay, we've probably got a little bit where we can be comfortable, yeah, which scares the fuck out of me. Because I'm like you said, where's the fuel coming from then? Yeah, is it then to provide a mansion for my mum instead of just a house? Is it saying my missus can have two cars instead of one, but then I'm at the same time, I'm too self-aware enough to know then you're just tricking yourself into trying to work even harder.

SPEAKER_04:

You can play like mental gymnastics. It's like it's like if I just set a bigger goal and create a bigger gap, that will give me some of it. And again, it may work. Like I'm I'm only 28, so like checking check in when I'm 60, but like it's from what I've seen with clients I work with, because a lot of my clients, my average age is probably 40, like when people come to me, because it's kind of it's like the midlife crisis is like a good avatar for me because it's like they've tried to achieve the goals externally, the house, the job, the relationship, the mortgage, the the kids, whatever. And it's like fuck, I still feel empty. And then it's so I'm just speaking sort of based on what I've worked with, is I believe find what fulfills you. So values and purpose, and I can break that down for you guys if you want to go down that path. How do you? I love this quote. When what you do is the greatest expression of who you are, you do your life's best work. So what Yeah, say that again. When what you do is the greatest expression of who you are, you do your life's best work. So that for me is purpose. For me, purpose is an is your gift to give to the world. Your purpose is an expression of your greatest call wound. Pain becomes purpose, wounds become wisdom. Love this line here is you become who you needed when you're at your lowest. Let that one drop in for a moment. So when you're generally it's between the ages of three to ten, I haven't it's probably in there. If it's an ear if an other memory comes up, it's probably just you block the other one out. But for example, my core wound is around being misunderstood, rejected, and hurt. So my dad would punch holes in walls, yell at my brothers, my siblings, fight with my mum verbally, physically, emotionally. And I felt really hurt. I helped people heal. I felt really misunderstood, aspergist, autism, ADHD. I struggled to connect to people. I still feel a little bit uncomfortable. Even when I'm at Eugen's today, I'm like, I feel a little bit uncomfortable still, but I'm getting used to it. So I help people, I felt misunderstood. So I've on a mission to understand myself and help other people understand who they are. And I felt rejected. I struggled making friends. So I helped people actually feel connected and accepted for who they are. So I've become the person I needed back then. Then how do you give that back to the world and how do you get paid to do it? That's kind of my it's like um, you know, you've probably heard the missionary versus mercenary conversation. Well, I can understand it. Yeah, yeah. I've heard homose speak about it. I'm like Homozy. Thank you, by the way. Even though even though something that I don't agree with. So missionaries are more like people, I went through this pain, I had this challenge, and this is so meaningful to me, and I want to give this back to the world, and I want to help people and I want to get paid to do it, type of thing. The mercenary is like, look, I've looked at the trends in the market, I've looked at this gap in the market, I've figured out our cost per click and our cost per acquisition. And if we have this much profit margin, if we get this much investment, we're gonna make millions of dollars. The mercenaries for me aren't really my my style of client. I like the purpose-led people who how do you give your gift back to the world? How do you get paid to do it? And it doesn't necessarily, by the way, you don't have to make money doing living your purpose because your purpose could be around kids, it could be parenting. It could be I just want to be the most conscious, healthy, loving parent, because that's what I didn't have. That could be someone's purpose. Then just how do you then I would go down? How do you then just have the money coming in for you to do what you want to do? Yeah. So I don't know if I answered that question, but yeah, purpose, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_03:

And what just came to mind there is purpose can shift over time because for me, purpose in terms of when we started this business, it was just make fucking make it work. We tipped all of our savings into it and we added two-month runway. So it was grind, hustle, make it work, and get it to a point where we can be really well, really, really wealthy. Yeah, as my kids, so I've got a three-year-old and now a seven-month-old, as they start to come up, become older, I can feel that purpose will shift of yes, make money, but also make money whilst having a sustainable uh weekly cadence where I can actually spend time with them. It's not just make money and be the dad that works 60 hours a week, it's never home for dinner, you know, my partner feels rejected. Like that, that purpose has changed. So it's I'd love to know for myself and listeners how we kind of how can we find that purpose and actually validate it and be aware of it potentially if it's changing or if we're not aligned. Can I ask you some questions?

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, we do the question. I'll answer one part to your to your part then before then we do the questions. So there's values and then there's purpose. So purpose, so your values are areas of life that fulfill you, which come from voids. Some people think values are things like control, freedom, honesty, loyalty, integrity. Those are not values, they're actually trauma responses. We can talk about that afterwards, but it's a big conversation. Values are areas of life that fulfill you: family, business, wealth, learning, travel, experiences, coaching, fitness, health, all those things. And they come from voids. You didn't have them or you persist it wasn't to the level you wanted it, so now you want it. So I had a void around money, I want to make money. I had void around coaching or mentorship for me, my father, because he didn't communicate with me and connect to me the way that I wanted back then. I had a uh void around relationships, I told you to struggle to make with friends. I have a high value in relationships. So whatever was a void or a perceived void for you becomes your values and your values shift over time. So that's to your point, they do shift over time. Your core wound for me will not shift. I haven't worked with clients for decades yet. So again, I might change my my my beliefs at that point. But for me, your core wounds is your core wound. So the shining light, the northern star purpose, that for me won't shift. Your values do shift over time, though. So parenting is coming into my values now because I'm getting ready for kids too. So I'm thinking about kids. I'm looking, I'm fucking watching, reading books over it. So I that value is shifting, but my purpose is still the same. So purpose is big, shining light, big northern star, we're gonna head towards. Your values are the areas that you fulfill along the way, and values do shift over time. Does that make sense? That's what I feel perfect massively. All right, want to find your purpose, gents.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, both my next questions, to be honest. I'm struggling to give my give myself the answer.

SPEAKER_04:

So that's so for the listeners as well. Um, pause the video when you need to, because I'm gonna ask you some questions. I'm gonna take down some notes for you guys. So, uh, gentlemen, close down your eyes for me. And if you love this shit, if it does help out, put one hand on your heart as well. I want you to take a deep breath into your heart. Now I want you just keep your eyes closed. Just remove any judgment from your answers for the questions I'm about to ask you. Let them come through for you without judgment. Just let them flow through you. Whatever is the first word that comes up for you, it is perfect. Take a big breath in. I'm gonna be using your parents. This does not mean you don't love your parents. You might love them to this day, you might have the best relationship with them. Just answer the questions as it comes up. So we'll start with whoever wants to answer first. Take a big breath in. What is the one thing that you wish you got from your dad, but you didn't get?

SPEAKER_02:

Attention. Attention?

SPEAKER_04:

Time. Now take a big breath in. What is the one thing that you most wanted from your mum but you didn't get?

SPEAKER_02:

Tough love.

SPEAKER_04:

Tough love? Say that one word if you can. Discipline. Disciplinary. What's the opposite to discipline? So what's the one thing that you got from mum that you didn't want?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh got what I did get and didn't want, or didn't get but would have wanted.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh it they're uh I actually asked both questions. Okay, so yeah, got yeah. Uh I forgot which one.

SPEAKER_02:

So what I didn't get but would. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

So what did you not get but you most wanted? Trust whatever word comes up.

SPEAKER_03:

What's the opposite to discipline?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh it uh so this is a certain question. You will have different answers to compare it to the person. Yeah. For me, f freedom. Freedom? Awesome. Yeah, I don't think. Now, we'll do the reverse question. What is the one thing that you wanted from dad, but you didn't get? That you most wanted from dad, but you didn't get. So take a breath then. What's the thing that you got from dad that you didn't want? Tough love. So what's the one thing that you got from dad that you didn't want? Mum was angry. Last question. What is the one thing that you got from mum that you didn't want? One thing you wanted from mummy. Sorry. One thing you got from mum that you didn't want to tell me. What is the one thing that you got from mummy that you didn't want to do?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Is that right? Not towards me, but I intend to have she.

SPEAKER_04:

Is that your answer? So what was it? Insecure? Now this is the hardest question, so I'll go hard for you. Say all of these in one word. So say the theme of these words. Time, freedom, harshness, stubbornness. What's the theme of those words? Use one word. One to two words if you need to. And I'll be asking you the same one, Adam, if you want to start thinking. Yours is uh attention, discipline, inconsistency, insecurity. It may be one of the words. So you might one of those words might be the answer.

SPEAKER_03:

So repeat mine again.

SPEAKER_04:

Yours was time, freedom, harshness, stubbornness. Control.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, that's what I'm gonna say on again.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh attention, discipline, inconsistency, and insecurity. You can open your eyes and other turn.

SPEAKER_02:

Leadership.

SPEAKER_04:

So these are your core wounds, so your core wounds are under control. So when people control you, you don't like it. Yeah. So what's the opposite of control? What's the opposite word to control? Well freedom. So you try to give people freedom and have a life of freedom.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

That's spot on. Your your core wounds are leadership. So you had a pain around bad leadership. So you try to be seen as a great leader, don't you?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, I know. I don't like leading. I don't like the pressure of it. You know? No, it's more the pressure of it, I think, which comes back to then the consistency to have to be seen as the leader. Whereas if you haven't got the least responsibilities, you can have an off day and not feel like you've affected anyone else.

SPEAKER_04:

Alright, so last last deeper question for you guys. So close your eyes, take a deep breath in. Last deeper one that we can get out of this one. What is the earliest memory of your theme? So for you, Harvey, the control. Normally it's between the ages of three to three to ten. Same for you, Adam. The earliest memory of that, the most painful memory of that, is it poor leadership or whatever bad leadership does for you? Dad, mum, whatever maybe. Got any memory? Got it. Probably five.

SPEAKER_03:

Five or something. If you're comfortable saying, what was it? Yeah, sure. Um it might make people laugh. I was out on the street riding my bike, like been out playing all day, came off my bike, smashed my knees up, like had a meltdown as a five-year-old would. Came from the melt came through the meltdown, wanted to get back on the bike, keep playing. It was early, real early, 5 p.m. I was forced to go to bed. Yeah, awesome. Okay, close your eyes.

SPEAKER_04:

Close your eyes. In that moment when you were forced to go to bed and when you had the control, take a big breath in, get really present in that exact moment when there was control. What did you need in that moment? What do you wish you got in that moment? One-word answers. Trust. Beautiful. Keep going. Just list them out. It goes, energy can. So trust. What else? What else? What else? What else did you need in that exact moment when you had that control? When people controlled you. Space. Space. Perfect. Go again. Keep sitting with it. Take a brief breath in. I'll just get you all rolling out of it. So what was your memory? How old were you? Earliest memory of this theme being painful.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh probably about 10-11. He's got a massive football. I mean, I was a good players, which you think is every guy's kid's dream. Um you might came to watch my second ever game because you got dragged there by my mum's parents. And I just remember him just being like, What a waste of time.

SPEAKER_04:

Close your eyes for me. In that exact moment when it was painful, what a waste of time. In that exact moment, take a breath in. What did you need in that exact moment? Or what did you wish you got in that exact moment? One word answers.

SPEAKER_02:

Pride and somebody be proud.

SPEAKER_04:

Proud awesome. If you have more answers by you by the way, throw them over to me. Come on. Throw your answers to me. What else did you need? So you got role model, pride, or proud. What else did you need? To be led. What else did you do? What did you need, Harvey? Education. Education, Model. What else are we doing? Is that making sense to you? What else did you need in that exact moment? I'm just repeating what I said. Yeah. What else did you wish you got? What were you craving in that exact moment? When it was painful. So when you were felt controlled? What do you wish you had? What do you wish you received? What are you craving in that moment? And for you.

SPEAKER_02:

There's two ways. And then the other one is um to not have to have grown up as quick as I did. Is that the one word? Less maturity or less expression.

SPEAKER_04:

That sounds like an expression to me to be expressive.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, more expression, more stuff to put into my mind.

SPEAKER_04:

That's okay.

SPEAKER_03:

One more for you. Space trust. Sounds funny because I was five years old. Backing to make the decision. Backing to make my own decision. Backing. Yeah, backing. It's in like belief. Like I was like, I wanted to go back out on the bike because I was good. Encouraged. I was like, encouragement. Yeah, almost encouragement or trust to go, yeah, go. Like just like trust in that decision and judgment from me.

SPEAKER_04:

I won't do the next steps because it's more like a sit down and sit with it process, but I'll just give you a summarized version. So you become who you needed when you're at your lowest. So you've become someone who allows to trust others to give others space to help educate, to back them and encourage them. How do you then give that back to the world? And how you're doing that with your kids, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And then that will always be the lighthouse. You move towards that. And then how do you then build a lifestyle that allows you to express that to the highest degree that you can? And that might be parenting. Do you love educating your kids and trusting them and backing them and encouraging them?

SPEAKER_03:

Even within our friends group, like we're we back, like one of our mates has just run South Korea. Yeah. The top to bottom. I was on a run with him, he told me this idea. I was like, You're fucking doing it. A couple of other mates have created Instagram accounts because they want to change careers. And I'm like, I've been the one that sat there on the whole mosey GPT, doing the plan. Like, go and do it. And even the new business that we shared with you, it's about education for people to gain their own freedom.

SPEAKER_04:

So you're doing a lot of people are doing their purpose unconsciously. If you follow so great lesson if you never see this again or talk about this again. If you get when you get tears of inspiration, so you get tears in your eyes, you feel really inspired. You are seeing or doing or experiencing a piece of your purpose. So those things that you just said. It's like say your kid come up to you and say, Dad, thank you so much for trusting me and backing me. You've taught me so much and you trust me so much. Thank you. You probably get you probably fucking cry your eyes out. If I then and you don't need motivation to do that. No, no way. The need to the need for motivation is a symptom of an uninspired goal. So imagine having all your goals in alignment with that. Unstoppable. You don't need the fuck, I'm not enough to do this. Again, it helps us at the start because we don't know this shit. Anyway, I want to hear your answer. So oh actually, I'll throw it up to you. Yeah. So role model, proud, leading or being led, connection and expression. So you love to help others feel connected, to help them express themselves, to be a good leader, even though you might have insecure. And this is this is actually a good point. So what you're most inspired by, you're generally most insecure about. So you like being a leader, but you're insecure about it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Don't like the pressure of it until unless it's going really well. And then I'm happy to be it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. So it's that dance of like, I'm so inspired by it, but I'm so insecure at the same time. So your values are where you're most insecure. My highest value is coaching. I'm most insecure about being a coach.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

But that insecurity makes you work on it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

So I think I'm a pretty good coach, but I'm also insecure about it. You are a great leader, brother. But you'll just judge yourself when you're not.

SPEAKER_03:

Because you like leading by example. Yeah. Like in the work that he does. And I know that when he hasn't got massive fees on the board. Yeah. When uh being a role, a role model, right?

SPEAKER_05:

That was what I guess.

SPEAKER_04:

To led, to be led, to be a role model expression. So helping others express who they are and connecting with them along the way. So again, if you like build your life around when what you do is the greatest expression of who you are, you do your life's best work. Now it doesn't mean go monetize it. That's the part. It's like you don't have to build a business doing that. I happen to be doing that. I used to run gyms, as you know, that part of my background. It's like, were the gyms the ultimate expression of who I was? No, it's just where I started. It's like it was just like start with what you've got, and that led me down that pathway. But was I like so inspired to do it? No, but I wanted to pay the bills and I wanted to achieve some goals, so that's what got me to do that. I don't need motivation to do this. Does that make sense? Yeah, so you can't.

SPEAKER_03:

So yeah, hope that's it. Fuck me. We put ourselves through the ringer on this podcast, aren't we? For the listeners.

SPEAKER_02:

Like that was awesome.

SPEAKER_03:

It's really good. I I love quite tiring. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Where there's a lot of tears at my events. Yeah. And a lot of like, oh but you feel lighter afterwards as well. Yeah. Yeah. Lift the weight off.

SPEAKER_03:

No, it's good to uh unpack that that kind of um the motivation, why you do it, and how you can make it more sustainable. And it does kind of segue onto another thing that you you've shared in your story before, which I'd love to love to explore and you to share on so people can perhaps relate to it. And I've definitely done this in some senses, and it's self-sabotage. Yep. Yep. Can you tell us because you started with gyms, you were very early when you got into business, you did extremely well, you had three gyms, if I'm right. Yep. Um, and then you share that you went into a bit of a self-sabotage mode in all areas of life.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Bang on. So um there's four main answers to that question. Number one is you're just not doing what you want to do. That's like kind of the obvious one. It's the values or purpose. It's like whenever you hear the words, you have to, you ought to, you got to, you should, you must, you're supposed to. Someone or something is projecting their beliefs on values onto someone else. If you go up to and say, Hey, you should open a gym, and you're like, I don't really want to. It's like parents do this a lot, religion does this a lot, society does this a lot. So, firstly, it's like when people say, I'm not sure if I want to do it, it's like, oh, I'm self-sabotaging. Well, what are you doing? Oh, I'm doing this. Do you actually want to do that? No, my mum's making me do it. It's like, don't fucking do it. Like, that's the first one. So that would be like, are you actually in alignment with who you are and what you want to achieve? Second can be trauma. So you unconsciously protect yourself from being seen as or experiencing your trauma again. So you don't like to be controlled. You'll get triggered by controlled. And you, so when your partner or kids or anyone, team members try to control you, you won't like it. And you don't want to be seen as someone who's controlling. So, say, for example, you needed to lead the team to do something, to do a task or whatever, you would unconsciously not want to become across as a controlling person. But there's a time and place where control is good. There's actually no such thing as a bad trait. It's a different conversation. So trauma is one of them. Beliefs is the other one. So it's like, I'm not enough, I'm too much, I'm stupid, I'm a loser, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna fail. So those beliefs reinforce the behaviors. And then fourth is strategy. That's where tall mosey. It's like, I keep still I um had a client, uh, she was a coach, like million coaches on Golco, so you guys probably figured that out as of now. Very few of them doing well. But she's like, Oh, I just keep sabotaging my sales. I'm like, okay, what do you mean by that? She's like, I'm just not making enough sales. I'm like, okay, how many, um, how many lead uh lead messages are you sending per week? It's like three. I'm like, mate. Like, I I said, you need to be doing, need to. If you want this, I suggest doing a hundred messages per day, because what, 3% of anyone, any marketplace is ready to buy. So you speak to three people in seven days, chances are none of them are actually interested. So it's like her strategy was just way off. So it could be just the strategy, just running east looking for a sunset. So the strategy's off. You got some belief that's in there. I'm not enough, I'm too much, I'm a stupid, I'm not safe, everyone leaves me, the world is evil. Trauma's my favorite one, so I kind of default to that, but I just like to see what it is. My goal, a lot of the stuff I do with clients is to the degree you resist reality, is the degree that you suffer. I love that quote. It kind of puts my work into a quote. So any resistance that we experience, self-judgment, anxiety, fear, stress, overwhelm, outside of real survival. So if a tiger rolls in here, we're all gonna get triggered. We're all gonna have resistance to either fucking, oh, jump out the window. Like you would would have resistance to survive. So anything, Peter Crane has this great quote. He says if it's not life-threatening, it's just ego-threatening.

SPEAKER_02:

Nice.

SPEAKER_04:

So ego is human identity. So if you're actually in survival, that makes sense. We have survival instincts, fight, fight, freeze. So outside of fight or flight, any resistance is you. Now the game is what's causing it. And that's the game I'm playing. So I'm just like being a mirror. So you might have heard life's mirror, and your relationships are close mirrors to you, and kids are very close mirrors to you. So I'm just a very conscious mirror. So like when you're saying things, I'm hearing, oh, you probably got wounds there, you've got resistance there, and I'm just zooming into it. And then once we find it, we want to address it with a process, a modality or a tool or something like NLP or timeline therapy or whatever the thing is. Remove the root cause to the resistance, and then the resistance goes away. You probably understand the um theory of constraints. I hear that a lot with um business. So a business or system goes to its lowest constraint, a human goes to their lowest constraint. So it'll either be a skill, again, you're just doing the wrong fucking thing, you're not doing what you want to, so you're like procrastinating, hesitating, not wanting to, making excuses, doing everything else, cleaning the fucking house besides doing the thing that you are projecting that you should be doing, beliefs or trauma. We just want to zoom in what is that actual thing that's causing it, address it, the resistance goes away. So that's what I look at for self-sabotage.

SPEAKER_02:

What's the transformation you see of people? Say your perfect client, like you've got in your head now, he's came and seen you in one place, let's start, you know, point A, and then you've left them at point Z. And the transformation's been incredible. Talk us through what that would have looked like because it must be pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_03:

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I love it. I I I get emotional with my work. So I like we um I we do uh we do a three-day event. I'll answer your question, but I'll do a segue. So we run a three-day event and we do the balance, my balancing process favorite process. My it's like Di Martini, if you've heard of him. Yeah. John Di Martini. I've actually got him on my podcast on Thursday. So excited for another chat with him. And I'm a Di Martini facilitator. I love his work, big, big fan. Some limitations to it, but absolutely huge fan of his work. Uh, I have my balancing process, which is built on his work. So I use his technique with other techniques on top of it. And it's essentially how to heal trauma. So we do a trauma process on day two of our three-day event, and I'm like walking around and I've got like set of questions, and you ask the questions. They have the breakthrough and like people just like start like crying right in front of you of like healing tears and gratitude tears. Like one of them at the recent one, like her mom did something bad, and she's like just I'd say, I love you, mum, I love you, mom. And just started like doing it. I'm just like crying with her. I'm like, and then I'd walk to the next person, do the same thing. So I'm just like on ecstasy for like an hour. I'm just like walking around like this is fucking amazing. So uh, two that came up, one that I use a lot, her name's there's kind of like uh the overachiever. I've got that example, which I'll say second, and then I've got someone who's like who's struggling. So they're kind of the two people I attract, like people that are like, I can't get out my own way, I'm struggling, I'm in a bad place, I can't even get started, or I'm overachieving but insecure. They're kind of like the two, and everyone in between that. So the one down the other end, Kel, I absolutely love her. So big T trauma, she was sexually abused by her dad for six years, sexually, physically, mentally, emotionally. I've shared the testimony a few times. And she did the process, and I'll try to memorize what she said. She said, to say I love my dad. So I'll quote something first. Anything outside of love and gratitude is a lopsided perception. So if you can't genuinely have love or gratitude for anything or anyone, you have some resentment or resistance there. It hasn't been healed yet. This doesn't mean you accept poor behaviors, some people take that to the extreme, but it just means the poison within you is gone. The hurt within you is gone. So she said, to say I love my dad is something I never thought could ever be possible. After 30 years of trauma therapy, of never like hasn't worked. So 30 years, three decades of trying to heal it, never healed it. At this, uh but right now I'm so grateful for what he did for me. And even people hearing this, it sounds how can you say that for a dad who abused their child? It's hard to comprehend it. Pain purpose wounds wisdom. When you get to grant, I wouldn't be the healer I am if my dad didn't hurt me the way that he did. My dad punched holes in walls, beat up my brother, beat up mum. And if it wasn't for the pain, I wouldn't have the gifts and purpose that I have today. Now, it doesn't mean that I allow that and you encourage that behavior, but it's integrating the wounds that you have from that. Does that make sense? So uh that's that end. I then probably Caitlin. I've been with her for a while. I'm still working with Caitlin to this day. So she was in a business where she was kind of the mercenary. She was like, uh, I think it was um physios or something. Like she was like uh building clinics, um, like she's in the homose world, like she was she bought the book launch upsell, she was in like the the upsell upsell, she was like in the big one and super high achiever, super fit in a relationship that wasn't healthy. Like it was like screaming it's your fault one day and then it's like all perfect the next day. Like she was not in a good relationship, but she struggled to back herself. She struggled to actually follow what she wanted to do because she was like, she's into healing. She doesn't very similar to what I want to do, what I'm doing, where she wanted to help women heal their feminine wounds or their masculine wounds. She wanted to be of impact, she's into yoga, she's into spirituality, but she just didn't back herself to do that because she was caught up in the missionary thing. So she's probably one that comes to mind because we did a lot of inner work and a lot of healing, but now she's actually in her business doing what she wants to do. So she I think the dream, the client that does the most amount of work with me are people who eventually make money with their purpose. That's kind of the longest one. But some people just come in, they're like, killing business, and I'm on the right path, and this is making money, but I got some shit from childhood. Let's just clean that up and you'll actually be you'll perform better, you'll have less mental loops, all those any shit you haven't resolved yet, you think about it. That's why you roundly think about dad, think about mum, think about the ex-partner, think about the person that whatever. That's your um you ruminate on any unprocessed shit. So we are homeostatic humans, meaning we want to come into balance. So remember osmosis back in uh high school. So it wants to come into equilibrium, your mind wants to. So if you have a fight with someone and you keep fucking thinking about it, yeah, yeah. Trying to process it, trying to process it. If you've got shit from childhood, which we all do, we all have some level to it, that will keep ruminating, which takes up mental space, energy bandwidth, and all your creative energy, it's siphoning your energy out of what you could be putting it into. So it's either those high achievers who they're good with their model, they're good at their business, they just want to keep crushing it and just have more fulfillment, or it's someone who's like, I actually want to give my gift back to the world. They're kind of the two clients I work with.

SPEAKER_03:

How did you get to that point then? So because you are 23, super successful, you know, multiple gyms, multiple businesses externally, yes, yes, externally. And then what happened to you internally? Because before before you knew all this, obviously yeah, you can tell you've absolutely binged on all of this content and you live and breathe it because it's your purpose. But before you knew all that, I'm thinking now for a listener who's thinking I'm stuck in that rut, um, I've got this trauma, I don't know how to heal it or how to process it, but I know I need to change. What was your journey with that to then go, I'm selling the gyms, I'm getting rid of it, and I'm gonna start again?

SPEAKER_04:

They kind of um all came together at the one time. So it's like there was the external forces of like COVID and the gym, the gym franchise was with I think there was I think there was about 20 franchisees, and there was about 16 lawsuits back to the franchise. So it wasn't very and I was like best mates with the franchise all. So and and my one of my business partners was trying to sue him, and I got caught in the middle of it. It was a fucking shit fight. So there was that sort of external stuff happening, and then I was getting introduced to the deeper stuff like D Martini, plant medicine, spirituality, trauma, and all that stuff, purpose, core wounds, all that. So I like started to everyone has that internal compass within them that's leading them towards their vision, their destiny. That's the um tears of inspiration. Those are the breadcrumbs, they're the breadcrumbs leading you towards where you want to go. I was becoming aware of it, but I just wasn't following through with it because I was caught up with like the external noise, just a side tangent. A lot of people do that with work, they they don't want to feel all their shit, so they keep working. I used to do that, I called myself once actually. I um had a tough conversation to have with my wife, and I was just too insecure to have it. So I just went to the office to keep working. I'm like, I'm just gonna go on the fucking fucking computer and like I don't want to talk to her about this. I'm too scared to do this, I'm just gonna fucking work. So, anyways, um your question was uh how do I get it? How did I get into that? I got introduced to Di Martini. He's probably shifted the way I view the world the most from like a psychological fulfillment aspect. He's probably given me a lot of the awareness and tools of how to do that, but I was still in the gyms at that time. I hit a breaking point, so I had the three gyms, and when you say externally, it looked pretty good. Like the gyms were like on sand, like the the foundations were dog shit. Like I was key person risk in two of them, and my business partner was like fucking, I had to babysit her too. So it's like I it was not a good, I would literally wake up 4 a.m., take classes at one gym, work through the day, admin lead sales, all the shit, then go take sessions at another gym just to keep the ball rolling and do that Monday to Sunday. So I was like, and it was like spinning every fucking plate. I'd such a street. It's tough, man. It was tough anyway. So the gym came to like a head when all those like lawsuits were going on. I got to a point where we had one, me and my business partner, who was the franchise or me and him were partners at one of the gyms, and we just got to a point where we're butting heads a lot. Like I viewed one thing, he viewed the other. And I said, bro, let's just like we've got a great friendship, let's not ruin it, let's just sell the thing. Uh you can have it. Oh, sorry, we found a buyer to do it. Went through the whole bind. If you've sold a business before, like pain in the ass, like heaps of like documents, lawyers, due diligence. It like takes fucking ages to do it. Took us 12 months to put all the whole thing together, signed the document. There was a calling off period, two days left in the calling off period, got the phone call, and you know where it's going. Um, I showed it in my book. I was like, I was walking, and it's like you you know when you feel like something something doesn't feel right. I look and it's the person's name, and I'm like, done. I'm like, I just I started to like cry before I even answered the phone. Said, hey man, like what's going on? He's like, bro, this business is not what you told us it was. We're out, we're done. And I just collapsed to the ground because I was like living off four hours' sleep. My relationship was rocky. I was in I externally looked good, but internally I was like, not good. I was insecure, super anxious, living off fuck all sleep. I was doing all the spinning and I'm like, fuck this, get our jail free card for the business. Getting sold, like this will make it easier. Then I'll just have two businesses to fucking sort out. And then that happened. And literally that day, I called my business partner, I told him what happened, and said, bro, what do you want to do? And I said, bro, I just can't handle it, just have it, just have the gym. It was probably worth 200 grand. But arguably, I was key personal, probably worth nothing. But um, just gave it to him and I just said I can't handle it. Then COVID happened. Then we went to COVID with two gyms. That was sick. And then my business partner was trying to sue the franchise at the same time. So I was caught in that. And I in this time, I'm like, I want to do this coaching thing. Like, I want to go over here. This is like I'm pulled, I I want to go there, but I'm I've got all this reality shit to sort out. Went through COVID, ended up selling that gym and sold it back to the franchise. And I got like nothing for like 40 grand, which is not a lot for a fucking gym. So 40, 40, like and I, yeah, it was not a good deal. And then I was just done. I was just like, I've got my vision, I want to go this way. And then I had already scaled myself out of the third one, and that was actually doing well because I owned it myself. So okay. I'm open to business partners, but I'm like, I I preferred not having business partners because I had some two pretty average experiences. Yeah, I just didn't do it right. But yeah, so I had one, it was doing well, we were profitable, making two, three grand a week, and I did nothing. I had one hour a week just to look over the numbers and shit. I'm like, okay, fuck, I can breathe. I'm like, holy fuck, there's been seven years of like grinding. What do I want to do? I just did a play. Plant medicine ceremony. So I do mushrooms every I used to do every quarter, now I do it every six months, 12 months. Did one over Christmas, rock solid. And I just do it to reset. And I just sat down and like, what do I want to do? What's my path? And it's like, you know, you already know the answer. Like you don't need mushrooms or psychedelics to listen. It just amplifies the message, I guess. And it like it was just like, you know, you know exactly where to go. You know where you're heading. And so I started that. That was about three and a half years ago. And now I've just been doing the coaching thing. I think I had resistance because I came from a franchise where they told you the system and what to do and everything, where it's like, this is now my business. I don't know, don't know my offers. How do I market? I was posting content, so I understood marketing and content a little bit, but I didn't know how to like build the actual system and ecosystem of offers for that said business. Um, but yeah, that'll that was my journey into it, man, and been doing that for about three and a half years now and loving it. The growth in that time's been massive.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh am I right in thinking you've got nearly a million or over a million followers? Just shy plus shy.

SPEAKER_02:

Shy, 985.

SPEAKER_04:

So close, close to very close.

SPEAKER_02:

Where was the you where was the you shape in that? Like where was the point where it just took off and why did it take off?

SPEAKER_04:

There was one post and it was a quote. It was just like, and it wasn't it wasn't like 100,000 like that. It was just like it went really well compared to everything else. Uh I'm very much, I like Gary Vee's analogy, baseball. It's like you can hit a home run, one, two or three bases. He just always aims for a first base. So all my content is like get another five followers, get another ten followers, get another 20. And then you will eventually hit a home run because you're paying attention. So like a lot of my posts, I'll get like an extra 10 followers, an extra 100 followers, an extra whatever. I remember I think I just it was, I think it was a Christmas one. It was just like it was along the lines of like um for everyone who's like uh hasn't got great relationships whatever, like just enjoy your Christmas period. Like, don't be so hard on um yourself and just try get through Christmas. And it got like 30,000 likes off it. And I normally get like a thousand, like if that. And so that was the first one. That was years ago. That was like maybe five years ago now. I think the algorithm it does shift, and there was a sweet spot because I'm growing slower than what I used to. There was a period about two years ago where my style and the algorithm matched up really well. So photo quotes, I do a ton of quotes. So I post two quotes and two reels a day on on Instagram, and then I've got a team who distribute it elsewhere. And there was just a sweet spot where reels were just starting to become popular, 90 second reels, because I can get a pretty solid little message done in about 90 seconds. Three minutes is good as well. I like it now. And photo quotes were the shit, and it just the organic reach went through the roof. Like I'd post one quote and gain 5,000 followers. So it's like the I'm not blaming the algorithm because I wish it wasn't still the same, but um, but you gotta grow with it. I'm still growing with it, so it's still growing, but we're growing by like 500 new followers a day, where I was getting like 5,000 followers a day. So I was like, that was sick. Yeah, so the algorithm and my style matched at a really nice point in time, and that's where I think I gained a hundred and I think it was a hundred thousand in or 150,000 in 90 days. So it was like the sort of peak of my growth. Yeah, and then it's like obviously adapting with the algorithm changes along the way. So yeah, I it it's just accumulation. So I I it wasn't like this one video changed everything, yeah. It was just like the reps, and then eventually that some go off, and then you'll learn like some hooks work really well, and some ones work with your avatar and all that stuff. So I do rewash certain hooks, like I post the same video multiple times, but yeah, just a lot of reps.

SPEAKER_02:

What does a week look like for you now? Like, how have you shuttered your life in terms of being a genius and in line with your purpose and your values? What part of the business do you spend your time on and what part do you outsource or delegate?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, great question. Uh so I joke with um, I I reckon you guys would do the same. If you guys looked at like my audience and like the potential with my audience to like how much I'm monetizing right now, it's like I'm leaving you'd probably throw up. You're like, fuck, you could be doing so much more right now. I'm like trying to find the sweet spot of like how do I do what I love and monetize it and not create a business I don't want to build. That's like the resistance I've got, and that's probably like from the hustle side. It's like I've got the muscle in me. It's like if like like we can't pay the bills next week, it's like I'll just go in. Like I've got the kill mode in me where you just fucking go in and get it done. So I'm trying to find that balance right now of what does a what does an inspiring week look like to me? What does a week a great week look like to me? I think the podcast is definitely part of it, so that's why that's coming come into me. I love coaching, but it's how do you scale the coaching in a way that gives you the impact, the income, and the lifestyle. So I've my vision is Joe Dispenser level of retreats. Like he releases his tickets to his email list. In 15 minutes, they sell out, and they're$5,000 tickets, 3,000 people. Like he doesn't need to do funnels and all that stuff. He's like, his brand is so fucking good because it's Joe Dispenza. So I want to have retreats because I do like the in-person stuff. As much as I like my home life, and I'm like a hermit crab at home. I do uh like connecting with people and getting to know people in person. So that's one side that I want to work on and building the business towards that. But then I had the resistance because I worked with uh Cohen Ray, he was like he changed my life. I haven't actually mentioned him in this story yet, but he changed my life. So I was in his mastermind for three years.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

He's like best apprenticeship for business on the planet. He introduced me to spirituality, into healing, because I was still the hustle porn person back then. So he opened my eyes to psychedelics, into healing, into how to build a proper fucking business back then. And fuck, I lost my channel thought.

SPEAKER_02:

Unspiring week, you know, what's what's the business look like?

SPEAKER_04:

I saw Kerwin and he taught me key person risk. But it's like he was key person risk. And unfortunately, he did pass. And it's like I'm like, I saw that. I'm like, I want to run events, but I don't want to have to run events to pay my bills. Yeah. So, because what if I get sick? We've got a kid. We literally cancelled the first third of this year with no events, so I can just be present with baby. Because but I'm like, what if I'm like, fuck, I won't be able to pay the rent if I don't run the event? I didn't want that. So I said, how do I build like an online presence? Because I got the audience for it. How do I monetize this in a sustainable way, which it pays the bills, I don't have to do any sales calls, and then run the events because they're fucking sick and just make them fun. So that's what I'm trying to work towards. What does it look like? I film content a few times a week. The podcast is pretty fresh, so I literally had one yesterday, so that's like just sort of ramping into it now. I do some onboarding calls for clients. I'm gonna phase that out this year. I think I'm done with the onboarding calls. I'll shift it to like group calls instead. I do a lot of learning, so I like to learn because obviously improve sharpen up the show axe and and grow. But in the morning, I don't do any calls until 12. So that's like it's kind of the manager versus maker calendar. So I am a maker at heart, so like I'm the I'm the artist. It's like the technician, the manager, the leader, the entrepreneur. I'm a big technician. I'm an artist, I just like to paint, I like to coach, I like to come up with new courses and new masterclasses and new processes and stuff. So I give myself until 12 o'clock each day where no one can book into my calendar, unless it's like a specific person or whatever's gone on. From 12 onwards, onboarding calls can happen if they book in for them. I guess it depends on what I'm working on. At the moment, I'm working on live videos because live videos is where I've I've actually made a lot of my sales over the last couple of years. Just go live, answer some questions, say, Hey, you want to work with me, come join. Like that's been I've made probably 80% of my sales for school. I've got a school platform. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's come from live videos. Like live on Insta. Just go live, Instagram, TikTok. Yeah. They're my two biggest platforms. And just to answer questions. Sometimes I have a topic. Um, if you put certain words that get different people in there, so I'll just go on, hey guys, I'm just gonna teach you about this. I'll do like the trigger hit list. So it's not the same as what I just did with you guys, but I can do it with you guys soon if you want to. It's like you do a trigger hit list and you get them to see that's the shit you keep attracting into your relationships. And then how do you how do you solve that? Come work with me. So I'll like answer questions, I'll do a belief process so you can remove limiting beliefs in seconds. It's really easy to do, but you know how to do it. Uh, and then I'll do that and like, oh my god, this is amazing. If you want to come work with me, come work with me. So I actually had this chat literally today. I was, I don't, I in my head, I'm like, I want to build a business where I don't have to do live videos to make sales, and the podcast has been the answer, but the podcast isn't cranking yet. So I'm like in this like transition where I'm like, stop being a fucking bitch, Lewis, and just do live videos. So that's that's the shit. And that would then drive the body anyway, right? Yeah. So it's like this is where Hamosy's good. Fuck the mood, follow the plan. Now I'm like, don't be cute, just like do the fucking work. So I've been like, I know where I'm heading, uh, if it works out, hopefully it works out, where the podcast will drive acquisition for me. So all I do is just run a banger podcast, great guest, some call to actions throughout the podcast. It takes care of it. But right now I'm in that sort of build-up stage, so like I need to do some more live videos to get that doing. But yeah, I would chair that chat with a mate today. He's like, bro, just stop being a bitch.

SPEAKER_02:

You announce the live calls, you're going to go live in 24 hours, or you just go bang, bang. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

I was on Himose'ai AI, I paid for it too, and I'm like, how do you do it? As I made, put a calendar, put it live, send it to your list and get it going. Because I used to do it just randomly, like every I used to do it every day. Like I build my school up to like 300 members in like nine, nine to twelve months. I was just going live every day. Yeah. Just answering questions, doing some QA. Hey, you want to work for me? Come try it. It's a free trial.

SPEAKER_02:

Don't like it, get out of it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So in terms of building your list, then let's get deep into actually that kind of email marketing side of it. What's your strategy there? Have you had one?

SPEAKER_04:

You're gonna be blown, how should I am with this?

SPEAKER_02:

So that's good to hear though, right? Because we're fucking miles off of that.

SPEAKER_04:

It's like a new business to us, slightly from what we're doing. Um so I did Sabri Subi, so I worked with him. So he was one of the vessels I worked with. I just got his I replicated his business model and I started to make a ton of cash, but the um they weren't doing the program, so that's why I shifted. But his godfather author and things like that. Yeah, so he said the three percent market theory. Yeah, you guys, you you're seeing what I'm seeing. Uh so I did his quantum growth program, so that's I think it was like 10 grand, and it's just like a self-paced program. And I I jumped I literally watched a YouTube video, booked in for a call, because I I read all Russell Bronson's books, and I'm like, okay, um, perfect webinar, put it together, made the webinar, and then I'm like, how the fuck do I get traffic? And then I went to YouTube, typed in webinar. Savri Suby came up. He's like, Webinars are broken or don't work anymore. I'm like, fuck. So I'm like, good hook. So watch that. I'm like, fuck, you're so right. So booked in for a call, jumped on the call within 20 minutes and paid him 10 grand. I'm like, that's a sick business model. I'm like, one time, 10 grand, and never talks to me again. I'm like, let's just do that. So I changed my business to I was doing like weird like six-week programs, I don't like doing that anymore, to like a high-ticket course where I jump on a call, private coaching, all the self-paced course, five grand, which one do you want? And I was making like a hundred grand a month. I was going ham on that, but I'm just doing a fuckload of calls, like 30 calls a week, just like book them all in. But then they weren't doing the course. And I'm like, I want people to get the impact. This is not just for money, I want people to actually get the impact. So, how do I shift my business model around? And school had just come out. Homozy hadn't bought into it yet. It's funny because like Himosi is always there, always always there. And I uh a mentor of mine suggested to start school to have the community and the continuity and actually get them to consume it if that's your goal. And then Hamosi bought in like three months later. I was like, this is sick, this is cool. So uh, in terms of like email marketing, I've got Sabri's uh magic lantern sequence. It's essentially like an onboarding sequence for new people that opt in. So I think they get one every day or every second day for 10 days or something or 12 days. I think there's seven emails in there. I use Hamosi's AI to rewrite the whole thing recently. Actually, I did that over the uh over the break. So they opt in either for a masterclass. I don't have many lead magnets right now. I probably should have more, but I don't really have any at the moment. Uh I've got a book on Amazon. I I wish Amazon you could connect it somewhere to like get their get their details. I wish that was the case, but I they don't. We try to figure that out because then you can wholesale it and do it, get a different provider to do the book so you can collect them and retarget. We went down that path. That's just gonna be 5200. Yeah. But yeah, I do a masterclass normally every month. Uh I've got one literally on Thursday. I normally get sort of 500 people register for that. Then fuck 10 show rates are so shit on masterclasses. I'm sure it can be better, but it's like 10 to 20%. So you have like 500, you have like 50, maybe 100 with them show. Normally sell sort of 20% into school, add value to them, get them a join. And then I run events and we do those. Last year was our first year doing them. We run two one-day events and then we sell into a three-day event. And we normally get, we're averaging about 100 people in the room for the one day event. So really cool. And they're like 17 bucks. We do the purpose process of what we did then, but a lot deeper than that. And we do the belief process. Then I sell them into the three-day event. Then what else do I do? And then I do private coaching, and that's just for like people that have a bigger budget and they just want, hey, just do it for me. Yes, hurry up. I had a cool client, um, he's down south, he does like nine figures a year, and he's just like, bro, I don't want to watch your videos, just do it for me. I'm like, Yep, no worries.

SPEAKER_02:

But that's the thing at that level, right? The speed and the timing of it, it's fucking makes me make more than anything waste.

SPEAKER_04:

How do you see parenthood changing or coming into this mix? I'm going through it right now, man. So it's it's pretty fresh. Yeah, I'm I'm still gathering my thoughts. I'll sort of just speak vaguely, but I think it's really conflicting what's out there. Like, I did one post on it, and I've done like no post on parenting. I just said, hey, I just want to make a post about what I've learned so far. Like we did a hypnobirthing class, which is really cool. Like, how to use hypnosis during birth for for the woman and how the partner can support that. And then the vaccines conversation, probably shouldn't talk about that, but it's like I'd literally just set it in there and say, Hey guys, do your own research for this, and like people just like slam me for it. So we didn't we didn't vaccinate or anything either. Yeah, and we're we're not going well as of right now, we're not going to. Yeah. Um, like how the system's built around that. Like, if you don't do it, you don't get certain benefits from the government. I'm like, bro, like it's another podcast as the other end. It's a whole conversation, man. So yeah, it's um it's from like sort of the practical stuff. It's been cool learning about it and like eye-opening because obviously I've got certain beliefs around the world and like healing and trauma and mindset, and how do you help someone be the greatest expression of themselves? And then what the old school sort of style of parenting and what to do and behavioralism with the kids. There's a great book. I'm rereading it right now. Uh she's coming on my podcast on Friday, actually, Dr. Vanessa Le Pointe. She's really solid. I look I got onto her through Cohen, so she went on Cowan's podcast back in the day. And yeah, just how to she's got two books. I think she's got another one, actually. Parenting Done Right from the Start. That's what I'm rereading at the moment. Yeah. Um, and just like the focus for overall focus for parenting is maintain the connection with your child. No matter what happens, they feel safe enough to come back to you. So whatever happens, they you have that mutual connection with them. Um fuck.

SPEAKER_03:

It's do you see yourself threading it into your work? Me like teaching. Yeah, will you thread it into your work and how you can help people? Because that's one big challenge. Like becoming a parent, like I'm now three years in. Yeah, chill with me. I'm I'm and we're now we're now seven months into the second baby. And if you're not like if you don't have every other area of your life dialed in, like I did the first seven months of 2025 booze free. Um, the back end was quite the opposite, in all honesty, after Adam's bucks. And um, I felt the first seven months I had my shit together. Yeah, uh, the back five months of the year, uh, the parenting two kids with the growing businesses, starting a new business, as well as um, I guess the emotional instability through things like alcohol, it can be it can make the the parent inside feel very, very difficult amongst everything else if you don't have everything else dialed in. So I'd be interested to see where you can thread it into your work to help you people that might be pro processing trauma because it yeah, parenting's a lot. It it you you reflect a lot, and I think some of that some of that trauma in particular that perhaps I had as a youngster that you kind of deal with as you become an adult and you think you've dealt with it, and then when you become a parent again and you're on the other side of the equation, it almost reignites it, and you're like, yeah, fuck like how could like how could they? Or how could you know, knowing how much like my little girls are just my absolute fucking world, to then know, okay, well, when I was on the other side of that, why was it like this? It kind of reignites it. So I think it'll be quite interesting for you.

SPEAKER_04:

I've thought about it because I believe the closest mirrors to us are relationships, like intimate partners and kids. I think they're the closest ones. Whoever has the most proximity to you, like you guys, if you guys work a lot together, you'll trigger each other from time to time. But the most amount of proximity will be very often your intimate partner and kids. So I've thought of it because of that reason. And whatever unhealed trauma you haven't addressed, you bleed it onto the people who didn't give it to you. So you pass on your shit onto your kids. So that's like I can see how that would mean a lot for parents to actually want to work from it. Because in business, there's like there's a level of like, say, say you just don't get along with someone, they triggered you a little bit, but it's all good, just get back to work. What don't worry about it. It's like you're gonna be sleeping next to your partner tonight. It's like you can't like avoid it, it's right there in your face. So I've definitely thought about it. Uh, I thought maybe one of my avatars could become parents that are entrepreneurs. I thought that might be a good avatar for me.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think there's space for it.

SPEAKER_04:

Um, yeah, so it's just like it's just such a great mirror, and it's like there's no better example of a mirror because they're literally yours. You co-created that being, and that is the mirror straight back to you, and that's where they reveal that shit, that unprocessed hurt or coding that's within you. Because it's what you said is really awesome, by the way. It's like they're fucked that's what I was like, that's what my dad did to me. That's what my mum did to me. Oh my god, that's what I did, oh my god. And I've just hurt her the same way I got hurt. Fucking hell, I'm a piece of shit. And then it's like, let's where's that coming from? Let's process that. So yeah, I've definitely thought about it. So I I think I'm like someone who likes to journey things before it's like I'm the relationship coach who's single. I don't, I don't like I don't like doing that. Yeah, yeah. Hey guys, here's how you parent when you haven't got a kid yet, but yeah, definitely see it coming. The one thing that I'm pretty confident to say now, anyways, is whatever hurt you haven't addressed, you're going to pass it on to your kids if you don't address it because they are so close to you, they're gonna trigger it from time to time. Um, so if you know how to regulate and integrate, so they're the two buckets of tools that I put inner work into. How do you regulate? So when you are triggered or you're dysregulated, how do I come back to neutral? And then how do you integrate what was triggered so it stops getting triggered? Yeah. Tony Robbins like changes state tool as a bit of a regulation tool. I feel shit. Fuck now, I feel good. Okay, well, what triggered you to feel shit? But if you don't, it's gonna bob its head up again. Beach ball. I know the water just keeps bobbing up, bobbing up. Uh and yeah, so thank you for the reflection, man. I I definitely I think I'm intuitively, I feel like I'm gonna head in that direction as I go through it. Because I as a content creator, you kind of like share what you're going through. So I guess very real. Um I we'll be sharing all our shit that comes up.

SPEAKER_03:

So yeah, they they are little mirrors. Like my little girl, the three-year-old, like she's a cracker. Like, I'm the yeah, some episodes on here with pretty rogue, and like I'm a bit of a joker, and she definitely is. Like, she'll pick up her little toy laptop and a little toy phone, put it in a bag, she'll walk out the door, she goes, I'm going to call Pauli. This is Powelly. She's like, I'm going to work, I'm going to call Pauli. And I'm like, because she fucking watches me do it every single day. And when I take a phone call at home, which I try not to do, like, my rule is unless it's uh a call that's worth in excess of$20,000, I won't take it. Yeah. Time with the family. My missus is like, if it's if it's in excess of 20k, go and take the fucking phone call. Go close the deal. But I walk around when I'm on the phone, yeah, and I catch Blake, my daughter, pretending on her toy phone, like blabbing along, but she's walking around, and I'm like, holy shit, you don't think that they pick up on these little things, but they do. And it's just that that's when you see all the different stuff online of how yeah, there's so many different opinions, and you know, this behavior triggers this, and you do start to kind of overthink it a bit.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. If you I I think the greatest tool you can pass on to kids is the awareness and tools to work on yourself because every single parent is gonna fuck their kids up at some level. You're gonna have moments of not being present for them because business shit shit at the fan and something happened because trauma is a moment of overwhelm or underwhelm, what's the chance of being a parent that you give your children exactly what they want every single moment of their life? It doesn't happen. So they're gonna have moments where something was not enough for them or it was too much for them. That's where the perception comes into it. So if you can gift them the awareness to heal their own shit and process their own stuff, I think that's the ultimate tool or ultimate gift you can pass on to kids. Yeah. So when they're ready for it, they can just work on their stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you see what they do in Finland? No. In Finland, they have a tradition with young kids once they reach a certain age, the last hour before bedtime, it's called the worry hour. Oh, terrible. And they sit down, you sit down as a family with your parents and you all write down everything that you're worried about or feeling sad about that day. I really like that. Yeah. And then you shut it. You shut the book, and then the next day you read it and reflect on it.

SPEAKER_04:

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Because sometimes just getting it out of your brain and just acknowledging that this made me feel shit today, this made me feel shit today, you're not suppressing it. You're actually kind of letting it come out. And then sometimes by the next day, there might be six things on that page and you go, cool, these three or four have worked themselves out, or they're now irrelevant, but these are the two we need to address. That's really cool. And they do that from I think maybe like the age of six or five or six, where they can start to understand that process. I thought that was incredible. I like that a lot. Are you gonna have you gone down like schooling?

SPEAKER_04:

Have you gone down that rabbit hole yet? No. Have you thought about it? Uh no, not yet. But we're trying to figure out figure it out. Like homeschooling, Montessori. There's one, um, there's actually one in the backnering. It's like I forget the name of it, Steiner Steiner. Is it's a style of quarantine. But they've got that in England as well. Yeah. So we're trying to we haven't made a decision yet. We're just trying to like what's out there because it's like the traditional system, they just project all these beliefs on it, and yet fish's ability to climb trees, and it's like you're just boxing people into all these limitations versus what's your gift? What are your values? How can you contribute to humanity in a meaningful way and get a career or professional business doing that? Let's do that. Like that's so simple, isn't it? Yeah, so simple.

SPEAKER_02:

Don't make that advocate, then, right? So I haven't got kids. Um, and if I did, one of my first conscious worries would be how do I keep the ticker and the dog in those kids who are gonna have a bit more financial resources than I had? Yeah, that's my first bit. Make them insecure, though. Yeah, that's the thought they just popped up. That's the second one is um for someone like yourself, amazing, very conscious, very self-aware, which is awesome, and your partner is two, how do they go wrong? How is how are they not gonna be the perfect kids, right? Compared to a druggie father, an alcoholic mother, a letting you know, whoever, whatever it might be.

SPEAKER_04:

The term that I'm aware of from the book I just referred to, parenting done right from the start, is the good enough parent. So if you have like a parent who's abusing the fuck out of you and there's drugs and there's all these, like could you have someone like a Tony Robbins who come from that environment still become the overachiever? 100%. You can still certainly have that. But I guess I don't have any data to back any of this up, but it's giving them enough being good enough where they've got the awareness and the tools to work on their stuff. That's probably the only real answer that I have for now. Be conscious of the projections that you put on them, like what beliefs you're put in them, because like you said, they're so conscious of everything, they pick up everything that you do. So being as conscious as we can, doing the best we can with the resources that we have at the time. Just when they're ready for it, like start to teach them about this stuff because you can't be held accountable to things you're not aware of. So when they're aware of it, um I had a um that balancing process um I referred to. One of my friends said, When are you gonna teach your kids the balancing process? I'm like, I'll probably like like sort of just have one liners in there that kind of like it's like there's um like say they failed something, it's like, but you're um what What a great opportunity to grow, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Isn't this helping you become well have like sort of those lines in there? But when they're, I guess, cognitive enough to actually understand it, then I'll like say, hey, this is how it works, this is how it plays out, and all that shit. But yeah, don't have a perfect aspirate.

SPEAKER_02:

What about bigger bigger picture then? In terms of the work you do, uh, and it's kind of a bit of a rhetorical question, I guess. Would the world be a better place if everyone had the ability to self-regulate and so self-aware?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, so why aren't we or they? I'd say the system. That's the sort of basic. So I've had the thought, I'm a nerd at heart, by the way, love Marvel. I'm like, if I'm Thanos and I just click my fingers and everyone knew how to regulate, they knew how to integrate, they knew how to find their own projections, they knew how to find their purpose and go back to the world. Like, how would that change the world? I think it would significantly change the world. Imagine if everyone that you knew on the planet knew how to regulate their emotions so they don't get too dysregulated and act out and do dumb shit. They knew who they were, they weren't overcompensating, they weren't self-sabotaging, they knew what how to contribute to humanity in a meaningful way and have a career or business doing that. I'm like, I think the world would be pretty fucking sick. Why is it not there? I'd say the system. I think we just the education, then Swell's asking about the education system because you just don't get taught that. It's like you get tested on things that some people don't give a fuck about. I don't care about geography, could not give a fuck about it. If you tell asked me where country is on the map, I probably don't know where it is. It's like I just don't understand it. But I love coaching, I love psychology, I love spirituality.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like I'm that's I'm hyper obsessed on that. So society as well, and just the the box you're in. Like we we've done a lot of self uh self-exploratory work, would you say, in the in the last couple of years. And um, we're very far down that journey. Someone like yourself, we're probably still quite early on, but in terms of uh from the the general population, we're very, very far down. And you know, I'm speaking with my sister who's she's a new mum as well, and she's struggling with XYZ. And I say things that are so perhaps simple to me now of just like a few things like okay, go and find the podcast with the things that you're struggling, and just binge, just go one episode a day for a few weeks and you know it starts to help and things like that. But to those people, it's just alien because yeah, it's women maybe not a bad example, but for males, for example, it's taught to suppress and be really strong. So I know that some of the work that we've done, if we were to discuss that maybe in some of our friends' group, or like with my dad in particular, he'd just be like, fuck that. Like what are you talking about, mate? Yeah, and I'll just like so I think that's one thing we're battling at against as well. And that might be from the system and the way that you brought up.

SPEAKER_04:

I would say that like what I said before, like when you hear the words have to or to got to should, it's like projections of things. So I would argue like society is like the human system, we've got the education system, but society is just an un unofficial set of beliefs and values that are projected onto you. You have to do this, don't share your emotions. That's shared. That for me is still like the um cultural system, if you want to use that term instead. But yeah, I definitely agree. It's just we're just it's just not in the society I grew up in and the culture I grew up with, it's just not common. It's like shut the fuck up and get back into it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, the best analogy you can use is we're all so passionate about going to the gym, right? And working on our bodies to get the abs, get the pecs, the nice arms, or whatever, you know. Whatever female's looking for, and it's like you no one's that there going, Hey man, what are you doing to look after your brain this week or today?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, I like the mental diet because you can't see it. Yeah, um, that's I argue if you never work on that, you'll never be fully healthy as well. Because all of your stress and triggers affect your nervous system, your gut health won't work properly, so it's just such a cascade of things. We're young and we maybe not that you guys are, but a lot of people who look after their health in general can mask some of that stuff, but all that lingering shit in the background, that's why I said like 40 years old is kind of my average client. That's when it's like fuck, I can't keep avoiding this shit. It's come up so much, I've just ruined another relationship, another marriage, my kids don't talk to me. Uh, no one I've got lost all my connections. So yeah, I I agree.

SPEAKER_02:

Mate, if to wrap this up, if I'm at if I'm uh not even at level one, right? I'm at level zero. I'm hearing all this for the first time, and that's kind of blown my brain. I'm thinking, wow, what where's the first step? What's the first step on this kind of journey to start to understand I guess this world um without overwhelming, without kind of blowing my own brain and sticking to it. Uh what Harvey said is fantastic.

SPEAKER_04:

Like, listen to podcasts, like jump on on jump on podcasts. Um, you'll find your style of what you get into. Um, like I love Di Martini, but like so many people like his I learned this from Tony, like style is more important initially, then it becomes substance. Yeah. So it's like if you meet someone and they're like you're not a fan of them, they're not good at speaking, they they don't hold themselves really well, you're like, I'll piss off and not interested. But then if that same person has no fucking substance to them, it's like talking to a brick wall, you're like, that's like I'm out of here too. So you'll find your style of what you like. If you like my style, come binge me. If you like Tony, go get into Tony. Like, there's I'll throw some names out there. The biggest mentors that have shifted me the most from like the self-development world, John D. Martini would be number one, Dr. Joe Dispensa would be number two, Tony Robbins, more so because he got me started. I'm not like the I think there's more depth out there than for Tony. I think Tony is like the biggest funnel. Like I said, he's the self, he's the um The gateway drone. The gateway drone. I think he gets so many people into it. I think there's other veins to that. Um, and some people um uh Raven fans of Tony, which is perfect, who also I love. Wayne Dyer, his past, but his his work is fantastic. Dr. Wayne Dyer. Uh Dr. Nicole LaPria is fantastic. Um, they're all sort of self-development stuff. In terms of business, fucking listen to you guys. You guys seem like you're fucking crushing it. So listen to you guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Homozy, jump down their rabbit hole. So yeah. One quick tip with podcasts, and this is what uh so many people don't realise. Um, if there's a certain topic you want to learn about you're struggling with, search that word on Spotify so you don't have to find the podcast and then scroll through the episodes. Like we're doing 2026, no alcohol. I've always had a very interesting relationship with alcohol where it's it's zero or a million. I just typed in sobriety. Nice and I came across an episode of Tom Holland, Spider-Man. Sure, nice on is it Rick Roll or Rich Roll? Podcast. I saw it was on Jay Shetty's. Yeah. Um he was on the Rick Roll, I think it's Rick Roll podcast. So I listened to a two-hour episode earlier of a podcast I would never have ever found. That's with my sister. She's struggling with post uh postnatal health anxiety around her little one. I just typed in postnatal health anxiety. That's cool. Found two awesome podcasts that are for mums that talk about everything. Because not like this podcast here, we sit down with you and we talk about you know what we've talked about today. Uh, we'll sit down with Ryan Tuckwood and we'll talk about sales. So not one podcast is always going to give you the thing you're looking for every week. It's often the guest. So type in the keyword you're struggling with and that'll help.

SPEAKER_04:

And my learning style on layer on that is I like to like enter people's world for as long as I can, just binge on them. So I'll listen to every podcast that they've been interviewed on, or I read their books of their books. If they're courses, I'll do their course. If you've got the ability to afford their private coaching, go down that pathway. But just like suck all the knowledge out of them until you're like, okay, this problem's solved, and then move on to the next one and then find the next one. Just get it. Yeah, love it.

SPEAKER_03:

Fuck, we covered a lot there today, have we? Thank you, lads. Thank you, lads. That's been awesome.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm physically knack it after that. But that's that's that's been so good, mate. I'm I'm keen to listen to this back myself. I think there's so many nuggets that I'll relearn again the second time, the third time, the fourth time. I hope everyone listening does as well. But mate, thanks for being so open. Um going as deep as you did, mate, asking the tough questions as well, because that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_04:

Thanks for answering them. Some people aren't willing to answer. I do we had a we did a process, a short story. We did a balancing process at Dion's event, actually, the same event. And there's this guy, I'm like, hey bro, how do you go with the question? He's like, I didn't answer it. I was like, Do you want to? I was like, nah, I'm just gonna watch.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like, love your brother, or get there.

SPEAKER_02:

Whenever you wrote it.

SPEAKER_03:

We'll make sure that we get you socials so when we start pumping videos out and the episode comes out, it's taking along. I'll share it around. Yeah, and um people will be able to find you if they want to work with you. Thank you, brothers.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, if they want to find you, mate, just while you're there, where's the Insta? Where's Twitter uh, what's the TikTok?

SPEAKER_04:

Lewis Huckster. Uh, I'm most active on Instagram. Cool. Um, so chance of getting me would be there. Uh school is where you'll 100% get me. I'm the only one in there. Um but um yeah, on my socials, on most of them. Thanks again, mate. Now it thank you.

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